MOUNTAIN GORILLAS - Our Adopted Gorilla

Let me introduce you to Urwibutso, the three year old Mountain Gorilla that readers of Another Chance To See have jointly adopted as our official mascot!

Thank you again to all our sponsors, who kindly donated $5 each to raise the necessary $50 to adopt Urwibutso from the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund International.

Urwibutso is the youngest of six brothers and sisters, and his mother is called Tuck. Tuck is a 32 year old female who has been a member of Beetsme's group since 1988. The group is one of three studied and protected by the DFGFI. Since Beetsme's death in 2001, the group has been led by the silverback Titus. Urwibutso lives with his mother and big brother Vuba, but enjoys following Titus around. Titus is most likely his father, and genetic testing may soon confirm this.

Urwibutso is quite independent, but a very sociable infant, and enjoys wrestling with other gorillas, many of them 250 pounds heavier than him. His best friend is Pato, who is now four and a half. After a hard day's play, Urwibutso still enjoys cuddling with his mother Tuck. Tuck is never ruffled by her son's boisterous nature.

Urwibutso is also especially curious about his human observers, and they have to keep bags, binoculars and notebooks away from him. His friendly nature makes him a favourite of the researchers.

"Urwibutso" means "memories" in Kinyarwanda, and the name was chosen by a military general in honour of two gorillas who died during Rwandan conflict near where the gorilla was born.

As the recent gorilla naming ceremony has shown, corporate adoption of gorillas is proving to be a great way to raise funds for the protection of the gorillas.

Rwanda's national parks authority raised $850 000 for gorilla conservation by putting 29 animals up for "corporate adoption".

"The prices (for adoption) range from $5 000 to $50 000," said the executive director of the Rwanda national parks and tourism office, Rica Rwigamba.

The 29 animals were named in the northern town of Ruhengeri in an official ceremony of the sort that is traditionally carried out for human babies in Rwanda. Among the names they were given were Happiness and Gift.

MOUNTAIN GORILLAS - Naming ceremony video

BBC News has a nice video report on the recent gorilla naming ceremony at Virunga National Park. Two of the names given were "Happiness" and "Gift".

MOUNTAIN GORILLAS - Rwanda Holds Naming Ceremony for Rare Mountain Gorilla Babies

Scotsman.com has news on the naming ceremony for 30 endangered mountain gorillas babies.

President Paul Kagame joined villagers and conservation workers on the edges The Volcanoes National Park in Rwanda today to give names to 30 rare mountain gorilla babies – including the only recorded set of twins to survive to the age of 1.

Conservation workers and researchers traditionally name primates they track after identifying each one based on the patterns formed by wrinkles on their faces.

Saturday’s naming ceremony, however, is the largest and most public ever held in this small central African nation.

The ceremony – including traditional dances by warriors armed with sticks resembling spears and poems praising development projects financed by revenue from mountain gorilla tracking – will become an annual event intended to pull in more visitors to Rwanda’s leading tourist attraction, said Fidelle Ruzigandekwa, head of the Rwanda Wildlife Agency.

MAURITIUS - Tiny nation to become giant wireless hot spot

Yahoo News is reporting on Mauritius' ambitious plan to have complete wireless internet coverage by early 2006.

This tropical island off the east coast of Africa is best-known for its white-sand beaches, its designer clothing outlets and its spicy curries.

But tiny Mauritius is about to stake a new claim to fame. By year's end, or soon afterward, it is expected to become the world's first nation with coast-to-coast wireless Internet coverage, the first country to become one big "hot spot."

"If there's anyone who can do it, it's us," said Rizwan Rahim, the head of ADB Networks, the company installing the wireless radio network across the 40-mile-long island. "It's a small place, so for a wireless network it's manageable. For us, it's a test. If it's successful here, we can island-hop to [mainland] Africa."

MOUNTAIN GORILLAS - The Return of Amahoro

June's Dian Fossey Field News has the exciting story of the "return of Amahoro, a 19-year-old silverback, to his natal group (Shinda's)."

[His return] has raised many eyebrows, because just six months ago he had left the group and become a lone silverback! This return is a very rare event, with all group members accepting him as if he had never left, including dominant silverback Shinda himself (who is not normally known for his passive and tolerant nature).

Full story at the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund website.

EASTERN LOWLAND GORILLAS - Gorillas slaughtered by DRC military

This Press Release from the DFGFI reveals a disturbing new development for the conservation of Eastern Lowland Gorillas.

On June 7, 2005, military personnel of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) entered into a community forest area in the east of the country and slaughtered four endangered Grauer's gorillas for their meat. The incident occurred in the southern part of the Bakumbule Community Primate Reserve (ReCoPriBa), located in Walikale Territory east of the village of Pinga. This project, which is managed by local people, is protecting a forest area that is home to many endangered species, including Grauer's gorillas, chimpanzees and forest elephants.
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On this particular day, the military entered six kilometers deeper into these forests and came across a group of Grauer's gorillas and opened fire, killing one male gorilla, two female gorillas, and one infant gorilla. One of the female gorillas was pregnant. The gorilla meat was offered for sale to residents from the local community, many of whom refused and reported the incident.

KAKAPO PARROTS - Thousands queue for chance to see kakapo chicks

News from New Zealand's STUFF on this past Saturday's rare chance to see Kakapo Parrots, up close and personal.

Several thousand people queued in the rain at Nelson's Trafalgar Centre for a rare chance to see kakapo chicks before they are taken to isolated Codfish Island and released into the wild.

Some people queuing on Saturday were forced to wait more than an hour to get in to see the four chicks which were hand-reared by the Department of Conservation (DOC) in a rented Nelson house.

The population of the bird numbers just 86 (sic *).

If any readers had that chance, do let us know about your day. Were you allowed to take pictures?, and if so, do let us have some!

* - The Kakpo actually number 87. See comments

TELEVISION - Komodo Dragons and Mountain Gorillas

In the USA, check your local PBS listings for "Jack Hanna's Animal Adventures: Gorilla Quest". It is airing in the Philadelphia region on 6/18/2005, 3:00PM (WPVI), and is a "visit with the elusive and endangered mountain gorilla in the jungles of Africa".

Also, Discovery Science channel will be airing "The Monster's Tale", about how the saliva of the Komodo Dragon may lead to new antibiotics.
6/22/2005 - 7:00PM
6/23/2005 - 3:00AM
6/23/2005 - 11:00AM

And on 6/28/2005, 5:00PM on the ANIMAL channel, check out "The Jeff Corwin Experience - Six Days to the Dragon", where Jeff explores the native Indonesian wildlife located on Komodo Island and Bali.

DOUGLAS ADAMS - BBC Archive, Service of Celebration

BBC Online has a page devoted to the Douglas Adams - Service of Celebration which was held on 17th September 2001. Douglas Adams' friends and family came together to celebrate his life with a service at St. Martin-in-the-Fields Church, Trafalgar Square.

The page includes a number of video tributes, with his family represented by James Thrift, Sue Adams and Jane Garnier. Marvellously, James is one of our recent Gorilla sponsors. Thank you!

The video tributes also include Last Chance To See co-author Mark Carwardine, zoologist and geneticist Richard Dawkins, and Simon Jones, who played Arthur Dent in both the radio and TV versions of The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.

KOMODO DRAGONS - David Attenborough given Order of Merit

I've recently been relistening to David Attenborough's superb "Early Years" tapes, including the very wonderful "Zoo Quest For A Dragon". Here's an edited version of a previous post about the Zoo Quest books and tapes.

In 1956 David travelled to Komodo to make a film about the Komodo Dragon, and Whirligig TV have a page all about the resulting Zoo Quest For A Dragon. Whirligig gave me permission to allow you to download the video clip here (364k).

Amazon.co.uk still has the audio book version of Zoo Quest For A Dragon available from Marketplace sellers. It's a great adventure and makes DELIGHTFUL audio entertainment. Highly recommended! There are several other books and tapes available in the series, and all are excellent.

Zoo Quest books and tapes are also available in the USA: Zoo Quest stuff at Amazon.com

I thought it was worth reposting that, because David Attenborough has been in the news recently. The BBC reports on the recent Order Of Merit bestowed on the much loved broadcaster by the Queen.

Sir David said he thought he had been chosen because he had reached "so many people through television".
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This special award from the Queen is for people who have shown exceptional merit in learning, the arts, science, literature or the public services. It is restricted to 24 British members and entitles those who have been awarded it to use the letters OM after their names.

The broadcasting career of Sir David, 78, has spanned more than 50 years, with acclaimed series including The Living Planet, The Trials of Life and The Life of Mammals.

The 13-part series Life on Earth, written and presented by Sir David in 1978, was alone watched by an estimated 500 million people worldwide.

MOUNTAIN GORILLAS - Sponsor List

Many many thanks to all our sponsors who donated $5 each and enabled us to adopt a gorilla infant from the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund website.

Top billing must go to Sweden's "Duke of Dunstable", proprietor of the biggest and best Douglas Adams news and discussion group on the web - namely The Douglas Adams Continuum. We received a triple donation from the Duke which enabled us to reach our sponsorship target very quickly. Thank you!

Since the demise of MJ Simpson's Planet Magrathea, The Douglas Adams Continuum has flourished, and thrives as the best place for Douglas Adams fans to meet and discuss The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy plus all his other work. Check it out.

Also, thanks to a posting on their discussion forum, nearly all our other sponsors came from the ranks of Continuum members! Thank you all!

The ever dependable David Haddock sent in his $5 too. David is a regular contributor to Another Chance To See, and is also very active member of ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha (ZZ9), the Official Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Appreciation Society. He contributes regularly to their quarterly magazine Mostly Harmless. Dave, if there's another website you'd like me to link to, let me know.

Daldianus, from Luxembourg, runs a couple of blogs, Soon To Be Gone? being "kinda inspired" by Another Chance To See. He recently posted his Kakapo Parrots entry. Daldianus also runs Thoughts Of A Straw Dog.

James Thrift, from Salisbury in England runs 1770 Online, a site dedicated to providing all that is best in contemporary design for you and your home. It's full of interesting goodies for your home, and is well worth exploring.

Stefan Jacobs from Germany runs The Orca Homepage, a massive guide to the magnificent killer whale. The site is packed to the gills with Orca news, facts, links and trivia.

In addition, I would like to thank our other $5 sponsors, Scratch, MoonGoddess, and Dave Stanley. If any of you have a website you'd like me to link to, do let me know.

The order with DFGFI is in process, and I look forward to revealing the name and picture of our adopted infant very soon. I will supply all sponsors with a copy of the adoption papers when they arrive, which will be in about 4-6 weeks I believe.

Thanks again to everyone!

MOUNTAIN GORILLAS - Retro Ringtones Launches 'Cult' Ringtones for US Market

Do you fancy having a Mountain Gorilla mating call as your cellphone ringtone? Business Wire has the interesting news that...

Retro Ringtones LLC, a leading mobile content and tools company, announced today that its unique library of 'cult' ringtones will be launched in the US market. Customers subscribing to all the major US wireless carrier networks -- Cingular, T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon -- will now be able to enjoy Retro's high-quality 'realtones,' which feature carefully tailored audio recordings in categories such as 'Sci-Fi SFX,' 'Air Guitar Riffs,' 'Endangered Species Mating Calls,' and 'Infernal Machines.' Retro Ringtones anticipates a July release on all networks.
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Retro Ringtones licenses rare recordings from specialist record labels and copyright owners from around the world, and uses proprietary technology to produce them as punchy, fast-downloading ringtones for all US mobile handsets. Among the most popular are the 'Endangered Species Mating Calls,' licensed from Cornell University's Macauley Labs library and featuring recordings such as the Rwandan Mountain Gorilla, Pied Butcherbird, and Smoky Jungle Frog. Operators in the UK have donated proceeds from the ringtone sales to nature conservation charities. Over GBP 25,000 has been contributed to date.

For more information, go to www.retroringtones.com.

KAKAPO PARROTS - National Party commits to retaining DOC

Good news for New Zealand conservation efforts with this press release at Scoop.

National Party environment spokesperson Nick Smith today made an ‘absolute commitment’ that a National-led government would not split up the Department of Conservation at the Royal Forest and Bird Protection Society Annual General Meeting in Wellington.

“Forest and Bird is pleased that National has affirmed its commitment to keeping the Department of Conservation as a single dedicated government agency,” said Forest and Bird President Dr. Peter Maddison.

“Both of the main political parties have now committed to not splitting up the Department of Conservation, so United Future’s proposal to split the department looks more endangered than the kakapo,” he said.

MOUNTAIN GORILLAS - $5 sponsors wanted to "Adopt a Gorilla"

With the 1st birthday of this site fast approaching, I thought it might be a very nice idea if we could find 10 sponsors who'd be prepared to donate $5 each (about 3 GBP), club together, and adopt a wild gorilla infant as the official mascot of Another Chance To See!

I collected ten $5 payments through PayPal, and will now use the money to adopt the gorilla infant from the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund website.

I'll provide all sponsors with a copy of the Adoption papers when they are issued, and I will of course give full credit to each of you on a future blog post.

The sponsor list is now full, but if you would like to adopt your own gorilla or simply make a donation, please visit the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund website.

** FINAL SPONSOR LIST **
1. JeromeH
2. JamesT
3. JenzK
4. StefanJ
5. DaveS
6. AlanS
7. DaveH
8. AmiO
9. JenzK
10. JenzK

** The order has been placed, and I have received an email from the DFGF that processing has begun... I look forward to revealing the name and picture of our adopted infant very soon! Thank you EVERYONE!

AYE-AYE LEMURS - Get Stuffed

Came across this Flickr gallery which includes a visit to The Walter Rothschild Zoological Museum, Tring, Hertfordshire. I'm fairly sure I don't approve of the practice of stuffing animals, however, the photograph does give us a close up view of an Aye-Aye's grub-winkling twig like finger. The museum is part of the British Natural History Museum and does look well worth a visit.

KAKAPO PARROTS - Kakapo chicks ready to leave home

Excellent news from New Zealand's STUFF about the four surviving Kakapo chicks from this year's successful breeding.

Nelson's rarest chicks have become awkward teenagers, and it won't be long before they are kicked out of home.

Four kakapo chicks are being handraised at a rented house in a secret location in Nelson. Five were taken from their home near Stewart Island in April after failing to put on weight in the wild.

Department of Conservation kakapo technical officer Daryl Eason said although one had died the remaining chicks were thriving.

Mr Eason said the parrots, now boasting a lot of their adult plumage, had moved from a bedroom in the house to a pen in the basement.

The oldest chick was three months and the parrots loved living together, he said.

'They get quite playful, they jump on each other and play fight.'

The chicks were clumsily developing their climbing skills on branches in their nest.

And if you're in the area and want to get a look at the chicks before they get whisked back to Codfish Island on June 20th...

The Nelson public will have the chance to see the birds before they head back to the wild.

DOC kakapo team scientist Dr Ron Moorhouse said the birds would be on display in Victory Room of the Trafalgar Centre between 9.30am to 4pm on Saturday June 18.

"They will be in a glass enclosure which will give them protection but also enable people to get a good look at them."

It was the first time kakapo chicks had been put on public view, he said.

BAIJI DOLPHINS - Conservationists name key areas for saving dolphins

News in the New Scientist amongst others about a new WWF report on the species and number of marine mammals being caught by fishermen's nets. The article makes bleak reading for the Yangtze baiji (Lipotes vexillifer). The WWF did not include it on the list because they "don’t see a way forward for this species. There is no answer on the horizon".

Hundreds of thousands of dolphins and porpoises are accidentally caught in fishing nets each year, posing an increasing threat to already endangered populations, warns a new report. Commissioned by the WWF, the report ranks the nine most endangered populations that might be pulled back from the brink of extinction.

"We tried to pick places where there is an infrastructure in place to manage fisheries and, to some extent, there is an interest in conserving marine mammals. If only a handful work out, it will be a great success," says Randall Reeves, chairman of the World Conservation Union (IUCN) cetacean specialist group and leader of the study.
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Also on the list are harbor porpoises in the Black Sea, Spinner and Fraser dolphins in the Philippines, the Atlantic humpback dolphin around Togo and Ghana, Burmeister's porpoise off Peru, Franciscana dolphin off Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil, and Commerson's dolphin off Argentina.

But the Baiji or Chinese river dolphin in the Yangtze, which is considered the most endangered cetacean in the world, did not make the list. "We haven’t included it because we don’t see a way forward for this species. There is no answer on the horizon," says Randall.

KOMODO DRAGONS - Dragon attends 124th birthday party

Here's food for thought. According to the Black Hills News Bureau , a Komodo Dragon at Reptile Gardens, Rapid City SD, will soon attend a birthday party for one of his zoo neigbours, Methuselah, a quarter-ton Galapagos tortoise, born in 1890!

Taking a peek at what happened in 1890, famous people born that year included Groucho Marx, Stan Laurel and Dwight D. Eisenhower, the Forth Bridge opened in Scotland and the cardboard box was invented. I'm sure Amazon.com are very grateful...

Here is a page about Reptile Garden's Komodo Dragons Awas and Naga.

Awas is the Bahasa Indonesian word for "Beware." The keepers at Reptile Gardens named him Awas because when he lived at the Tampa Zoo he bit a keeper and almost removed his thumb.

Naga is the Bahasa Indonesian word for "Dragon."

KOMODO DRAGONS - Komodo Dragon kingdom under threat

Here's an article in The Jakarta Post - The Journal of Indonesia Today on the dwindling Indonesian tourism industry.

For ecotourists the centerpiece of this fascinating transition zone between Asia and Australia is the sea and land that forms Komodo National Park -- five main islands and a splash of islets between Flores and Sumbawa.

The biggest is Komodo and its major attraction is the internationally famous 'dragon'.

Before the economic crisis, terrorist bombings and travel warnings scared away the tourists, Komodo National Park attracted 30,000 outsiders a year, mainly from North America and Europe.

That number has now been cut by half.
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This industry is fragile; dragons have recently become extinct on Padar island. This happened after poachers killed off the Timor deer, the reptiles' main food source.

The article also points to the official Komodo National Park website which is a site I've not seen before...

HOT POSTS

I've just spent a few hours tinkering with Javascript and put together a little navigation widget for the top of this column which should get you to the most important post about each of the endangered animals from Last Chance To See. Whether it be births or deaths, I'll keep these "Hot Posts" up-to-date with the most relevant information on what's happening with these creatures. It should work in both IE and FireFox, but do let me know if it doesn't work in your own favourite browser and I'll see what I can do.

BAIJI DOLPHINS - Baiji.org

I recently discovered this site, Baiji.org, which provides a wealth of information on the baiji and other freshwater dolphins. The Workshop 2004 sounds like it was quite successful.

The international "Workshop on the Conservation of China's Baiji River Dolphin and Yangtze Finless Porpoise 2004" marked a major step forward towards successfully networking global expertise with Chinese research institutes and government authorities in an effort to secure a sustainable future for China's baiji dolphin and Yangtze freshwater ecosystem.

The workshop was the first meeting of its kind in over a decade to see both Eastern and Western cetacean specialists united and working together towards finding an emergency conservation solution for the world's most endangered dolphin and its threatened freshwater habitat.

ENDANGERED ANIMALS - Smuggler sentenced for trading rhino horn and aye-aye skulls

News from Newsday.com about a smuggler who got his comeuppance for trading parts of endangered animals.

A man who sneaked a leopard skin and endangered rhinoceros horns into the United States and signed an e-mail message to a potential customer as "Mike the Smuggler" was sentenced Friday to time served.

Michael W. Wilson, 43, pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in March following an investigation that began when his 2001 Internet advertisement for the skull of an endangered primate called the aye-aye caught the attention of U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service agents.

BAIJI DOLPHINS - Yangtze dams driving 'panda of the water' to extinction

News from the Three Gorges Probe News Service about the effect of the Three Gorges dam on the wildlife of the Yangtze.

Dams, pollution, river traffic and illegal fishing have pushed to the brink of extinction a fish species that has swum in the Yangtze River since dinosaurs roamed the Earth.

The Chinese sturgeon, sometimes referred to as "the panda of the water" because of its endangered status, is thought to date back as far as 140 million years, to the Mesozoic Era. But the megadam era could be the death of it.
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"Just as nobody is seeing the Yangtze dolphin or Yangtze white sturgeon any longer, one of these days it will be extremely hard to catch a Chinese sturgeon," Prof. Wei of the fisheries institute in Jingzhou laments.

"This is not just a matter of the loss of a kind of fish. It reflects a serious ecological problem in the Yangtze valley as a whole." He uses the term "ecological desertification of the Yangtze" to describe how species in the river are rapidly being driven to extinction.

MOUNTAIN GORILLAS - Congolese awarded for saving apes from militias

Reuters AlertNet has this news on the Congolese park guards who have been given an award in recognition of their work.

Congolese park rangers who risked or even lost their lives to save mountain gorillas, pygmy chimpanzees and white rhinos as war raged around them have been honoured two years after the conflict officially ended.

More than 40 park guards, bush trackers and local chiefs -- many of whom fought off militia fighters, bandits and poachers in Congo's lawless east -- were presented with the Abraham Conservation Award in Kinshasa late on Wednesday.
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Mokilibe Atakuru and Likambo Masikini, two park guards from the remote Garamba National Park on Congo's border with Sudan, were posthumously recognised for their efforts to help to try to save the world's last remaining northern white rhinos living in the wild.

They were both killed in May last year during a gun battle with heavily armed poachers from the Janjaweed militia -- accused of raping and killing in Darfur -- who swept into Congo on horseback from Sudan to hunt down the rhino for their horns.

KOMODO DRAGONS - An Indonesian Vacation

I stumbled upon this photo album of "ssu"'s Indonesian vacation. I've linked into page 13, which is a fabulous panoramic composition photograph of Komodo Island. I've posted Douglas Adams' description of the island below.

The images that the island presented to the imagination were very hard to avoid. The rocky outcrops took on the shape of massive triangular teeth, and the dark and moody grey brown hills undulated like the heavy folds of a lizard's skin. I knew that if I were a mariner in unknown waters, the first thing I would write on my charts at this moment would be `Here be dragons'.

But the harder I looked at the island as it crept past our starboard bow, and the harder I tried to filter out the promptings of a suggestible imagination, the more the images nevertheless insisted themselves upon me. The ridge of a hill that stretched in a thick folding shape down into the water, heavily wrinkled round its folds, had the contours of a lizard's leg - not in the actual shape, of course, but in the natural interplay of its contours, and in the heavy thickness of its textures.

The photos then progress through the "smell" archway, and into the visitors village on stilts...

We moored at a long, rickety, wooden jetty that stuck out from the middle of a wide pale beach. At the landward end the jetty was surmounted by an archway, nailed to the top of which was a wooden board which welcomed us to Komodo, and therefore served slightly to diminish our sense of intrepidness.

The moment we passed under the archway there was suddenly a strong smell. You had to go through it to get the smell. Until you'd been through the archway you hadn't arrived and you didn't get the strong, thick, musty, smell of Komodo.

The next blow to our sense of intrepidness was the rather neatly laid out path. This led from the end of the jetty parallel to the shore towards the next and major blow to our sense of intrepidness, which was a visitors' village.

This was a group of fairly ramshackle wooden buildings: an administration centre from which the island (which is a wildlife reserve) is run, a cafeteria terrace, and a small museum. Behind these, ranged around the inside of a steep semi-circular slope were about half a dozen visitors' huts - on stilts.

MARK CARWARDINE - Diary Dates

If you'd like to see Last Chance To See co-author in person, Mark Carwardine's Diary shows that he has a number of appearances coming up in 2005.

• Art for Survival Wildlife Exhibition - Wednesday 22nd June to Friday 1st July 2005
  The Tryon Gallery, 7 Bury Street, St. James's, London SW1Y 6AL

  One of Mark's photographs of a great white shark will be on sale at this exhibition, which features original paintings, sculptures and photographs by some of the world's leading artists.

• An Evening with Mark Carwardine - Monday 1 August 2005, 6.30pm
  Eden Project, St Austell, Cornwall

  In this highly entertaining lecture Mark describes some of his experiences and encounters with wild animals - and even wilder people - in all four corners of the globe. And, inevitably, he has a thing or two to say about the state of the world.

• Tom Dunn Memorial Lecture - 29 September 2005

  Tom Dunn – a founder member and vice president of Durham Wildlife Trust – was such a well-known and respected champion of the natural world that there have been annual lectures in his honour since 1994. Mark will speak at this year’s evening lecture

Thanks to Dave Haddock for the info.